tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1436417288060370638.post2096738563253562497..comments2024-03-29T02:57:53.320-04:00Comments on ...... SHARP ELVES SOCIETY ...... Jane Austen's Shadow Stories: Rears and Vices ReduxArnie Perlsteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01720424361279466002noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1436417288060370638.post-20418001420122186802012-10-01T23:51:23.723-04:002012-10-01T23:51:23.723-04:00Very well done! Very well done! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1436417288060370638.post-11079220756553218812012-09-30T19:55:58.701-04:002012-09-30T19:55:58.701-04:00Anonymous, indeed, there is an overwhelming sense ...Anonymous, indeed, there is an overwhelming sense of Mary Crawford as a victim of sexual abuse by one or more trusted adult family members. That is her closest bond with Fanny, she knows it, and Fanny on some level knows it too, and that accounts for why Mary often speaks the words aloud, that Fanny won't even allow herself to think. Arnie Perlsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01720424361279466002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1436417288060370638.post-17761962602848888182012-09-30T12:44:04.029-04:002012-09-30T12:44:04.029-04:00I just found this post on a random search, but it ...I just found this post on a random search, but it seems as good a place to post: I've always felt sympathy for Mary Crawford (as well as Maria). The way JA wrote leaves so much detail in the reader's head that when you *think* she's described something... she actually gave you a mirage, and you filled in the details. That kind of description or lack of it allows her to be genteel when she talks about the harsh realities of her society - things her readers would know, especially, without being so vulgar as speaking openly about it. I was always struck by how vigorously Mary makes her break from her uncle's household as soon as she can be something like independent - and she does afterwards live with her sister, because she is too broken to be with the kind of man she could love.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1436417288060370638.post-43960432454641200502012-07-03T11:53:19.660-04:002012-07-03T11:53:19.660-04:00And I noticed another spike in hits on this blog p...And I noticed another spike in hits on this blog post today, and checked and saw that it was the result of a fresh link from The Other Austen blog, for which I thank them very much!<br /><br />Please, those of you reading this entry for the first time, feel free to leave a comment!Arnie Perlsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01720424361279466002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1436417288060370638.post-18064762163547147562011-04-06T17:53:05.207-04:002011-04-06T17:53:05.207-04:00I have noticed today that a number of people have ...I have noticed today that a number of people have read this old post of mine, and surely this is because of a link to this post at another webpage--but which one?<br /><br />If you happen to be someone who has read "Rears and Vices Redux" as a result of such a link, please let me know where it came from????<br /><br />Thanks and I hope you enjoy what I read, above, and read some more in my blog. <br /><br />Cheers, ARNIEArnie Perlsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01720424361279466002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1436417288060370638.post-29963911222386636092010-07-03T18:20:12.313-04:002010-07-03T18:20:12.313-04:00Nope, just me, thanks for the compliment.
Give me...Nope, just me, thanks for the compliment.<br /><br />Give me some specific feedback--what was it you liked so much?<br /><br />Cheers, ARNIEArnie Perlsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01720424361279466002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1436417288060370638.post-34239486265478623732010-07-03T18:16:10.533-04:002010-07-03T18:16:10.533-04:00Do you have copy writer for so good articles? If s...Do you have copy writer for so good articles? If so please give me contacts, because this really rocks! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1436417288060370638.post-45710912061807385292009-08-07T07:53:50.375-04:002009-08-07T07:53:50.375-04:00As I have said to many Janeite friends, I think th...As I have said to many Janeite friends, I think that skeptical curiosity is all I ask for at this point, pending my making my full case in a book.Arnie Perlsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01720424361279466002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1436417288060370638.post-43172135019472548602009-08-05T19:14:05.498-04:002009-08-05T19:14:05.498-04:00I await with interest details of any of your shado...I await with interest details of any of your shadow stories. As you have realised by now I am likely to be a bit of a sceptic, but I hope a rational sceptic (and that may be more productive for both of us).Chris Dornanhttp://senseorsensibility.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1436417288060370638.post-29650305365227237522009-08-04T19:34:57.064-04:002009-08-04T19:34:57.064-04:00Chris, thanks for asking, but no, at present the s...Chris, thanks for asking, but no, at present the shadow story of MP is on my back burner, I have been revisiting it a short while now because of this recent thread re Rears and Vices, but the completion of my decoding of that shadow story remains for a future date! ;)Arnie Perlsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01720424361279466002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1436417288060370638.post-90786355070437685532009-08-04T15:13:24.254-04:002009-08-04T15:13:24.254-04:00Arnie you mentioned on Austen-L recently the slave...Arnie you mentioned on Austen-L recently the slave subtext and shadow stories in MP. Do you have any plans to amplify on these here? If you have anything you have written already, could it be reposted?Chris Dornanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00455308641258004163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1436417288060370638.post-84504219611262546862009-08-04T15:00:17.701-04:002009-08-04T15:00:17.701-04:00Catherine, thank you, you spurred me to look more ...Catherine, thank you, you spurred me to look more closely at the Dashboard for this blog, and sure enough, I saw the way to create a blogroll, as you can now see. <br /><br />And I would suggest that in addition to Austen-L, you would also want to join Janeites@yahoogroups.com, which is usually more active than Austen-L, although there is a lot of cross posting....Arnie Perlsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01720424361279466002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1436417288060370638.post-62591384271526040902009-08-04T14:44:49.188-04:002009-08-04T14:44:49.188-04:00Re: blogroll. I don't know Blogger, and can...Re: blogroll. I don't know Blogger, and can't help you with that, but there has to be a blogroll option somewhere in there.<br /><br />I must say the thought of William being sexually abused by his shipmates had never entered my mind.<br /><br />And I signed up for the JA list at McGill, where this discussion apparently originated.Catherine Delorshttp://blog.catherinedelors.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1436417288060370638.post-61733350789220749392009-08-04T13:17:07.822-04:002009-08-04T13:17:07.822-04:00"Yes, Mary's pun is of a sexual nature. W..."Yes, Mary's pun is of a sexual nature. What else could it mean?"<br /><br />Indeed, I agree with you, but there are actually still many diehards who deny the sexuality was intentionally placed there by JA.<br /><br />"But I alway assumed that it was a reference to heterosexual sex, because the "vices" of Mary's uncle apparently went in that direction."<br /><br />I am convinced that BOTH interpretations apply, for many reasons. The more evidence I find, the more complex the pun becomes. It's really a lot like the charade and the anagram matrix in _Emma_ that I wrote about in my Chawton article, it keeps morphing and changing into more and more complex shapes.....<br /><br />"Let's remember that officers (e.g. Admiral Crawford) could bring women on board, while sailors were left to their own devices. So maybe homosexual sex was more common in the lower ranks?"<br /><br />Probably so! At the time Mary makes the pun, William is far from being an officer. And that makes Henry Crawford's offer to arrange to make William an officer all the more crucial, as it will shelter William from sexual abuse by his shipmates!<br /><br />"BTW, Arnie, I added you to my blogroll under the JA section, of course!"<br /><br />Thanks! I don't know how to do that for your and other friendly blogs at mine, I looked the other day and did not see that as an option I could select. What am I missing? <br /><br />Cheers, ARNIEArnie Perlsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01720424361279466002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1436417288060370638.post-74744270574270422472009-08-04T12:26:30.172-04:002009-08-04T12:26:30.172-04:00Yes, Mary's pun is of a sexual nature. What el...Yes, Mary's pun is of a sexual nature. What else could it mean?<br /><br />But I alway assumed that it was a reference to heterosexual sex, because the "vices" of Mary's uncle apparently went in that direction. <br /><br />Let's remember that officers (e.g. Admiral Crawford) could bring women on board, while sailors were left to their own devices. So maybe homosexual sex was more common in the lower ranks?<br /><br />BTW, Arnie, I added you to my blogroll under the JA section, of course!Catherine Delorshttp://blog.catherinedelors.comnoreply@blogger.com